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Fire chief dismissal polarizes firefighters

Volunteers write the district and The Chief to voice opinions
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Ray Saurette

The aftermath surrounding the recent firing of former fire chief Ray Saurette appears to have left Squamish's firefighting community polarized, as evidenced by numerous written submissions to The Chief online and the District of Squamish.

Saurette claimed he was fired from the district last week because he was trying to ensure alcohol licensing at fire hall lounges did not lead to firefighters working under the influence. He said a backlash from some volunteer firefighters influenced the district's opinion of his work.

However Mayor Greg Gardner said he was dismissed because the district was concerned with Saurette's "leadership style not meshing with the direction that the District of Squamish is choosing to take."

The matter appears to have reached a stalemate as Gardner said there are no plans to investigate Saurette's allegations of alcohol consumption at fire halls prior to calls, and no volunteer firefighters have resigned.

But a few firefighters have come forward to make their opinions known, along with many other members of the public.

Within a few days, more than 40 comments have been posted regarding Saurette's dismissal on www.squamishchief.com. The comments within the community are as a varied and extreme as those of community firefighters.

"I know many of the firefighters personally since my father himself has been a volunteer in Squamish for over 15 years. I grew up around, and in some cases with the firefighters that make up the Squamish department. They are all good people and the only one that was causing a rut in the department was Ray himself," wrote one online reader.

Another website reader defended the honour of the newly dismissed fire chief.

"What kind of people are you? Ray has dedicated everything to Squamish Fire Rescue and this community, and would have done anything for any one of its firefighters. He took a stand against the bullies and fought for open communication and better department standard," said the anonymous online reader.

"Now the bullies have beat him down, dragged him through the mud and basically destroyed him."

Saurette handed over several letters in his defence from local firefighters to The Chief newspaper. One written by volunteer firefighter Stephan Guerin describes Saurette as an "honest, caring, supportive and dedicated human being."

"His passion and dedication to the Squamish Fire Department is surpassed by no other member; despite what you may have heard," he wrote.

However, when contacted by The Chief newspaper on Saturday (Dec. 19) to confirm the letter, Guerin said he wanted to retract the statements he made about the former fire chief.

"It was written under false pretences. There was information I wasn't privy to and I wrote it thinking that he just got terminated for no reason," Guerin said.

"I wrote that without all of the information therefore I think that it shouldn't be submitted. I was under the impression that Ray had just lost his job that day, whereas I found out he had been terminated two, two and a half weeks prior."

Guerin said Saurette had approached him to write the letter in early December, before Saurette's formal termination by council but after he had been advised by district Chief Administrative Officer (CAO) Kevin Ramsay that his termination was being recommended to council. Guerin says he obliged because Saurette had never done him any wrong in the four years they worked together.

"I thought that he had lost his job that day and I'm not in favour of people losing their jobs at Christmas time. It's happened to me and I wanted to back him up. Personally, to me, he'd never wronged me and that's what I wrote in his letter."

Craig Neuls-Dunn, who's been with Squamish Fire Rescue for approximately four years, also wrote a letter addressed to municipal staff outlining Saurette's character as being respectful and professional.

"It is my observations that Chief Saurette has shown nothing but respect and professionalism in his dealings with the Squamish Fire Rescue membership when handling controversial and sensitive issues," he wrote in the letter.

"Since taking on responsibility as the District of Squamish Fire Chief, Chief Saurette has faced much condemnation and undermining of his character, abilities and authority from a select group of Squamish Fire Rescue members. The degree of dissention within this dynamic has festered and grown to such that it has brought about the present situation."

Despite the controversy surrounding the dismissal, Neuls-Dunn said in a telephone interview this week that he still personally believes Saurette is a good person.

"I still stand by his character. His coming forth with the allegations of the lounges and their possible misuse, I don't agree with but that is his opinion and if it differs [from mine]. It doesn't change the fact that I admire the man and his personal character."

As vice president of the Squamish Fire Fighters Association representing volunteer firefighters, Neuls-Dunn clarified his comments are his own and don't represent the association.

"At this point we [the association] are just trying to digest it all."

Bob Fulton, International Association of Fire Fighters (Local 2874) secretary-treasurer echoed similar thoughts.

"This is very much an internal matter right now and I don't really feel that I should make a comment on behalf of the union. We have to move on, run the fire department and provide a professional level of service."

As of Monday (Dec. 21) there have been no resignations of volunteer firefighters in the wake of Saurette's dismissal, according to acting fire chief Mike Adams.

The District of Squamish hosted a meeting for district staff and fire volunteers last Thursday (Dec. 17), which CAO Ramsay said was "productive and open." In a written statement to The Chief, Ramsay said the municipality is now searching for a new fire chief.

"We are looking for someone with excellent leadership skills that can repair the damage done by Mr. Saurette's actions and to ensure that the citizens of Squamish can continue to rely on the dedication of our fire professionals," said Ramsay.

When asked if there would be further investigation, Gardner said the district would simply continue to rely on staff to manage any concerns that may arise within Squamish Fire Rescue.

"What we're going to do with these allegations is rely on our acting fire chief to manage the department on a very professional basis," said Gardner. "We'll be relying on our next full time fire chief to be doing the same."

The municipality currently has a zero tolerance policy regarding employees coming to work under the influence of alcohol, said Gardner, adding that would continue to be enforced.


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Comments

PlatosGimp says...

The Ministry of Public Safety & Solicitor General, Office of The Fire Commissioner and WorkSafeBC have all been contacted with regards to the issue of alcohol being permitted/consumed in Squamish Fire Halls's. WSBC has already (apparently) met with the Squamish Mayor's office & will be following up (monitoring) Squamish's response to this issue. WSBC was outraged at learning of this issue & our mayor's response/comments.

Posted on January 12, 2010 @ 7:19 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3091645 

SquamishatHeart says...

I find the bad mouthing some people are doing on this site about Ray Saurette disgusting. Ray Saurette has been the Fire Chief for 14 years and although I did not work with him I knew him on a personal level and you would not find a more dedicated and honest man.

Isn't it funny that Ray has brought the issue of alcohol, a substance that has been a detriment to society for so many years, to the forefront and chooses to fight it and the DOS turn their back on him. The rest of the province is looking at this issue as well and the DOS is not, what does that say about Squamish and the people who are coming from all over the world to the Olympic? Public safety, including these visitors, should be considered and Ray was trying to ensure that happened.

It takes a lot of guts for someone to stand up for something that has been so widely accepted for so many years but that we, as a civilized society know is really not the way things should be. Just because it has been done that way for so long doesn't make it right. I for one applaud Ray and stand behind him on this effort and know a lot of others who do as well.

So, to the people who are bad mouthing him, shame on you, grow up and fight the issue, not the person who is bringing it up - or are you one of the drinkers who's world is getting upset by this change.

Posted on January 3, 2010 @ 6:44 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3067417 

PlatosGimp says...

After reading the notice provided by the Squamish Fire Fighters Association (To The Citizens of Squamish), I would also like to acknowledge and praise the SFF's and SFFA for their hard work, dedication and community commitment. Few have questioned this extraordinary, and self-less commitment by the fire fighters, towards the protection of our community. That being said, the extraordinary conduct, self-less and honorable commitment to the community does not preclude firefighters from ensuring they also avoid conduct which may increase the risk to the public, community or municipality. Your letter to the Chief does not mention the main issue of alcohol being consumed in the fire hall. The question of alcohol being consumed by fire fighters in the fire hall IS the issue, and not the self-less commitment to the community provided by fire fighters, which is not in question. The other issue(s) of concern to the public may be whether or not some VFF's actually tried to extort the DOS in order to retain their drinking lounge and our mayors support of such fire hall drinking access (apparently paid for by the Squamish community). So I, and likely others have to try and read-between-the-lines of your statement in order to determine what is being asserted, (or refuted) beyond re-iterating the self-less and honorable commitment of fire fighters.

However, you do mention a popular Orwell quote:

"We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield." (G Orwell).

One can only speculate what exactly is being suggested/claimed with a quote which implies that some are "believing things which we know to be untrue" and there is a "false belief" being circulated.

Are you implying that the "untrue" thing is the consumption of alcohol in fire halls? If this is the case then this is GREAT NEWS and so all we need as a concerned public, is a clearly written statement to that effect (alcohol is not consumed on Squamish fire hall property) from either the District of Squamish or the SFFA. If you are indeed implying that this is the issue which is "untrue", a "false belief" by the use of the Orwell quote, then there should be no problem stating this publicly and in writing. An actual policy banning drinking in the fire halls would also lend itself to increased public support and confidence.

If the issue/items your are implying are "untrue" is NOT "alcohol consumption on fire hall property", why not state the issue(s) directly and clearly (rather than using a vague quotation) so that the public can actually read, know and discuss the issue with all the facts?

Again, in no way does addressing the legal or safety issue of alcohol consumption on fire hall property imply that fire fighters are drunks, or less than honorable, self-less and respected members of the community. However, if some VFF's actually did try to extort the DOS in order retain their drinking hall (by threatening to retract their services) then this is a serious issue reflecting on the character and judgment of any FF that would use such a tactic. If this is the issue that you are implying is "untrue" then please provide the community with the clear and written statement, or other evidence, to support your claim. Once again this would dispel many concerns in the community, and elsewhere if you were to simply provide statements or other supporting evidence to those issues which you are implying are "untrue".

Thanks kindly for continuing to provide information and more importantly, a valuable and much-respected service to our community.

Posted on December 31, 2009 @ 10:10 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3058439 

HS says...

Yes I concur that the Chief's coverage and/or investigative reporting of City Hall's personnel losses have been curious at best. Often one wonders if there is silent collusion between the press and the politicians due to the less than probing random articles/columns on the subject. I do see that as of the past month the paper is ponying up a tad more and I encourage further press coverage on the topic of where all of the senior staff have gone and why they were lost by DOS politicians in one fashion or another. The firefighter issue touched off the storm last spring and continues to be the lightning rod of issues. I'd say it's only the tip of a deep iceberg. This Mayor and Council are much ado about nothing in regards to community building. They've grabbed control of most senior jobs through micromanaging the newbies, along with committees and Boards. To what end? what does Squamish have to show for it at the end of the day other than enormous legal bills, paid for by taxpayers naively having hoped that their needs might ever be attended to instead.

Posted on December 30, 2009 @ 8:18 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3058416 

PlatosGimp says...

One Readers Synopsis:

(1) Volunteer Firefighters:

We are `good` people, honorable people and so I am going to volunteer my time to keep the community safe.

(2) District of Squamish:

We appreciate your willingness to donate your time to the community, we know you need a place to `decompress`, and so we will help you find a place to drink alcohol at the fire hall. It's also been a long-time, small-community privilege and there have been few legal or public challenges to this practice.

(3) Ken Anema/Ray Saurette:

We cannot support drinking by fireman at the fire hall because it is clearly and unmistakably WRONG as it leads to an increased likelihood of drinking before a call, thereby putting the community at risk. It also puts the DOS at significant legal risk, is almost unanimously opposed by the general public and all current reasons given to allow the alcohol, is refuted either by science, psychology, PTSD research, public opinion, legal opinion, all firefighter agency policies and common-sense.

(4) (Some) Volunteer Firefighters:

Yes I am an ‘honorable’ man with good intentions and have demonstrated this by volunteering my services to ensure the safety of the community of Squamish. However, I am also willing to commit EXTORTION by threatening to remove my services (put the community at risk) if I don't get my drinking hall! Sure it may look like a contradiction, or that I am being hypocritical, but I don't care because what is more important is that I want to drink in the fire hall! So give me a drinking lounge, allow me to drink at the fire hall (increasing risk to the community), or I will take away my services (also increasing risk to the community).

(5) District of Squamish:

Ken Anema is gone, and Ray Saurette is gone. DOS wants to keep the firefighters happy and avoid putting the community at increased (potential) risk as a result of losing a few firefighters (even if it is by way of extortion). So the DOS caves in to some of the VFF's extortion. And yes, if this was/is true, (some) VFF's threatening to retract their services and put the community at risk if they are not given this-or-that, is EXTORTION. When you consider the fact that alcohol in the fire hall is OPPOSED on every imaginable rational, legal, community, public relations, scientific/psychological and common-sense perspective, this act of EXTORTION by some VFF's is beyond shocking, beyond belief. Assuming they actually did give this ultimatum.

(6) District of Squamish:

Ray Saurette makes his statement public and the media reports across the country state the embarrassing fact that Squamish allows drinking in the fire hall and our own mayor publicly condones such drinking on the grounds of retaining VFF's and providing them with a place to “decompress”. As a community we are disparaged in the media and VERY critical comments against us as a community, and our mayor in particular, continue to be written.

(7) District of Squamish:

Follow-up (damage control) articles (only in the local media) avoid the primary (hot and volatile) topic of alcohol in the fire hall, or support of alcohol in the fire hall. These articles focus on; who said what; why Ray was fired; Ray's character; efforts to redirect blame by stating that Ray never raised the issue until he was fired; implying that Ray was complicit in the use of alcohol at fire halls; stating our (DOS) public policy on alcohol consumption by municipal staff; or that “the district needs to divulge the actual reasons for Saurette's dismissal”.

Summary:

Most people can see through these attempts to “spin” the public-opinion and turn it into an issue of why Ray was fired, and avoid the REAL issue(s). However, I am betting that few really care why Ray was fired or even his motivation for bringing this public. Or, even if he was drinking with his buddies for the past few years at the fire hall, without complaint until he was fired. We have much larger questions/issues here, which seem to be lost/ignored by the local media for some reason.

These issues/questions are:

1: Is alcohol being consumed by fire fighters on fire hall property and condoned by the municipality?

2: Are we putting our community at a greater risk by allowing alcohol to be consumed at the local fire halls?

3: Do we as a community want to retain VFF's who are willing to use extortion in order to retain a drinking lounge in return for their services?

4: Is it appropriate, responsible or reasonable for the DOS to now state that ”..there are no plans to investigate Saurette's allegations of alcohol consumption at fire halls prior to calls”.

The local media is the ONLY media outlet that has avoiding writing in detail, about the main issues which are covered extensively and almost identically, at other media sources. One might ask why is the Squamish Chief's coverage so very different from the mostly consistent coverage elsewhere?

Posted on December 30, 2009 @ 1:49 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3055574 

HS says...

I'd say opera singer Ramsay just set himself up personally for legal action against him by suggesting it was Ray Saurette's actions that caused damage to the firefighter situation in Squamish.

He seems to be a master of spin doctoring turning events to suit his political overlords agenda.

Former CAO Anema initiated the no drinking policy a year ago which precipitated the firestorm amongst volunteer firefighters and perhaps a couple? of regular guys committed to drinking.

Don't come between they and their beer basically became a vengeance motive behind the rabble rousing plaguing DOS. Amazing that in this global era of enlightenment there are still backwater elements thinking it's OK to drink other than within a totally private/personal sphere of influence. Crazy thinking in the context of litigation today.

Mayor and Council "lost" their CAO Anema perhaps due? to their seeing his power usurping theirs? ie he represented legal right for the district and they wanted to maintain votes? just asking is all? note the question marks...everyone needs to decide what "seems" plausible under the circumstances of this Mayor and Council "losing" so many seasoned staff in one 365 day period.

I'd say I'd love to be a lawyer fighting this fight...on either side. Both sets of lawyers win financially. I'd rather however be on the offensive side representing "lost" staff or the entire community against DOS politicians as the truth always surfaces. I'd rather make good money off of the politicians through winning the case for the public good and feel I'd carried the banner representing the good guys. White stetsons are badges of honour, black represents the bad guys.

Who do you think is who.

Posted on December 29, 2009 @ 11:28 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3049543 

BlackBear says...

So, what's going to be done about this? Probably nothing. It will become old news and we will move on to being indignant about something else.

Posted on December 28, 2009 @ 8:14 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3049521 

HS says...

I concur that it's ridiculous to suggest it's "OK" for firefighters to be near alcohol other than on personal time away from the firehall. As previously stated no other professional group would dare mix work/near work with alcohol.

What is wrong with this community that this is even an issue to be discussed? It's done. The Fire Chief was right to blow the whistle. This goes back a year ago when CAO Anema instituted the policy in order to bring this crew into this century of what is/not acceptable. These politicans of the 365 day variety bowed to the pressure of wanting to secure/maintain votes amongst those volunteers who balked at the new rules. Shame on such low brow, low quality thinking from those elected to represent the best interests of the community.

As noted in this weeks column Squamish City Hall has been turned into a Stalinist regime. We've lost the brightest talent at the top of the management end of things due to their behind the scenes standing up to vote mongering politicians. I'd say it's time to take the issue of misuse of political power up the food chain to Victoria.

This town deserves the Secretariat investigating a renegade council mismanaging/micromanaging the town. The new CAO seems to have been hired as a fun loving, opera singing axeman to "lose" longstanding staff. He has no prior CAO experience and is beholden to his overlords. He seems to be doing their bidding. Enough already. The bill to the taxpayers, once legal costs of "losing" all of these staffis calculated, is hurting the budget.

Seems like the CFO job is also now posted. I call foul. Et vous? Any legal beagles out there? has any council ever been personally, civilly sued by taxpayers for mismanagement?

Let's see this Mayor and Council held accountable in a way that requires them to take notice. I'd say suing them individually might get their attention as to date they are too giddy with self aggrandizement to care about public sentiment.

Posted on December 26, 2009 @ 12:59 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3043385 

PlatosGimp says...

A new Facebook Page (Ban Fire Hall Drinking) has been created with links to many articles in the press on this topic. This might be a good place to carry on this debate in the light of Squamish's Mayor stating that "there are no plans to investigate Saurette's allegations of alcohol consumption at fire halls prior to calls".

If you have an opinion on whether or not alcohol should be consumed at Fire Halls, and supported by the municipality, this might be the place to carry on this debate.

On Facebook search for "Ban Fire Hall Drinking"

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ban-Fire-Hall-Drinking/222846264067?v=wall

Posted on December 25, 2009 @ 3:19 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3041260 

Michael Lonergan says...

I really don't care what one may think of Mr. Saurette, Mayor Gardner, or the Squamish Fire Department, all I need to know, is that when my house is on fire, or I'm in a serious accident, my rescuers are not under the influence of alcohol. Transit workers are not allowed to hang out in the staff lounge to throw back a few cold ones before getting behind the wheel. I doubt members of the RCMP would be allowed to go on shift immediately after downing a few pints. Airline pilots must abstain from alcohol for 8 hours before a flight. Why should firefighters be exempt from a similar rule? I do have 2 questions, though:

If this was such a concern to the former Fire Chief, why did he wait for so long to make these concerns known to the District?

Secondly, Mayor Gardner, how far is your head buried in the sand, or stuck up some other dark place? Despite what motives Mr. Saurette may have had in bringing these concerns forward, you are choosing to sweep it under the rug... oh, sorry, choosing "not to investigate it any further."

I, for one, would like to see this investigated to rule out any issues.

Posted on December 24, 2009 @ 10:59 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3041255 

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